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	<title>Comments on: Tiptoe Through the Frameworks</title>
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	<description>Shane Shepherd: web design and development; music</description>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Halfer - I agree, a small tiptoe indeed.  Unfortunately I don&#039;t have unlimited time resources to fully research and try out every technology that comes along.  I just picked what I judged to be the standouts based on some limited research and then tried them out one at a time.  At some point I may return to Symfony and give it another go.  For now, CakePHP is serving my needs.  I&#039;d be interested to see a comparison between these two frameworks from someone who has tried both.

Thanks for the other references as well.  I was not aware of Sourdough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Halfer &#8211; I agree, a small tiptoe indeed.  Unfortunately I don&#8217;t have unlimited time resources to fully research and try out every technology that comes along.  I just picked what I judged to be the standouts based on some limited research and then tried them out one at a time.  At some point I may return to Symfony and give it another go.  For now, CakePHP is serving my needs.  I&#8217;d be interested to see a comparison between these two frameworks from someone who has tried both.</p>
<p>Thanks for the other references as well.  I was not aware of Sourdough.</p>
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		<title>By: Halfer</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>Halfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, this was rather a small tiptoe, wasn&#039;t it? A paragraph or two per framework, and out of the four you mentioned, you only tried two of them. Symfony, if you give it a fair go, is solid and, in contrast to many open source projects, extremely well documented. It has a helpful community and a full install can be up and running on a LAMP stack within five minutes. I&#039;d encourage you to give it a go.

Should you wish to revisit the topic, you may wish to look at Zend&#039;s framework, plus Seagull and Sourdough. There are lots out there, and I&#039;d wager that each has its strengths if you give them each a few days trial use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, this was rather a small tiptoe, wasn&#8217;t it? A paragraph or two per framework, and out of the four you mentioned, you only tried two of them. Symfony, if you give it a fair go, is solid and, in contrast to many open source projects, extremely well documented. It has a helpful community and a full install can be up and running on a LAMP stack within five minutes. I&#8217;d encourage you to give it a go.</p>
<p>Should you wish to revisit the topic, you may wish to look at Zend&#8217;s framework, plus Seagull and Sourdough. There are lots out there, and I&#8217;d wager that each has its strengths if you give them each a few days trial use.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl - Goooood one buddy, that made me laugh.  Actually php is my roots...I learned ASP.NET so I could feed my family more than twice a week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carl &#8211; Goooood one buddy, that made me laugh.  Actually php is my roots&#8230;I learned ASP.NET so I could feed my family more than twice a week!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Camera</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Camera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy your foray into LAMPland.  Don&#039;t forget your rOOPts.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy your foray into LAMPland.  Don&#8217;t forget your rOOPts.  <img src='http://shepherdweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@francois - I see what you&#039;re talking about now that I&#039;m looking back over the installation docs;  I missed that when I was initially studying them.  

I&#039;m sure Symfony is a great framework.  It seems to get great reviews from everyone who uses it.  It&#039;s possible that my initial assessment may have been wrong, but it seemed that there was going to be a greater learning curve than I have time for right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@francois &#8211; I see what you&#8217;re talking about now that I&#8217;m looking back over the installation docs;  I missed that when I was initially studying them.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Symfony is a great framework.  It seems to get great reviews from everyone who uses it.  It&#8217;s possible that my initial assessment may have been wrong, but it seemed that there was going to be a greater learning curve than I have time for right now.</p>
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		<title>By: francois</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that you find the symfony installation difficult. You can simply download and untar a project already configured, and browse to it immediately.

It provides different types of installations for different users, but for a started I&#039;d recommend following the first project tutorial and you&#039;ll see how simple it is.

You don&#039;t have to use the command line, it&#039;s just one of the most convenient tools that developers like to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that you find the symfony installation difficult. You can simply download and untar a project already configured, and browse to it immediately.</p>
<p>It provides different types of installations for different users, but for a started I&#8217;d recommend following the first project tutorial and you&#8217;ll see how simple it is.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to use the command line, it&#8217;s just one of the most convenient tools that developers like to use.</p>
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