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	<title>Comments on: Tiptoe Through the Frameworks</title>
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	<description>Shane Shepherd: web design and development; music</description>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Halfer - I agree, a small tiptoe indeed.  Unfortunately I don't have unlimited time resources to fully research and try out every technology that comes along.  I just picked what I judged to be the standouts based on some limited research and then tried them out one at a time.  At some point I may return to Symfony and give it another go.  For now, CakePHP is serving my needs.  I'd be interested to see a comparison between these two frameworks from someone who has tried both.

Thanks for the other references as well.  I was not aware of Sourdough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Halfer - I agree, a small tiptoe indeed.  Unfortunately I don&#8217;t have unlimited time resources to fully research and try out every technology that comes along.  I just picked what I judged to be the standouts based on some limited research and then tried them out one at a time.  At some point I may return to Symfony and give it another go.  For now, CakePHP is serving my needs.  I&#8217;d be interested to see a comparison between these two frameworks from someone who has tried both.</p>
<p>Thanks for the other references as well.  I was not aware of Sourdough.</p>
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		<title>By: Halfer</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>Halfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, this was rather a small tiptoe, wasn't it? A paragraph or two per framework, and out of the four you mentioned, you only tried two of them. Symfony, if you give it a fair go, is solid and, in contrast to many open source projects, extremely well documented. It has a helpful community and a full install can be up and running on a LAMP stack within five minutes. I'd encourage you to give it a go.

Should you wish to revisit the topic, you may wish to look at Zend's framework, plus Seagull and Sourdough. There are lots out there, and I'd wager that each has its strengths if you give them each a few days trial use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, this was rather a small tiptoe, wasn&#8217;t it? A paragraph or two per framework, and out of the four you mentioned, you only tried two of them. Symfony, if you give it a fair go, is solid and, in contrast to many open source projects, extremely well documented. It has a helpful community and a full install can be up and running on a LAMP stack within five minutes. I&#8217;d encourage you to give it a go.</p>
<p>Should you wish to revisit the topic, you may wish to look at Zend&#8217;s framework, plus Seagull and Sourdough. There are lots out there, and I&#8217;d wager that each has its strengths if you give them each a few days trial use.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl - Goooood one buddy, that made me laugh.  Actually php is my roots...I learned ASP.NET so I could feed my family more than twice a week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carl - Goooood one buddy, that made me laugh.  Actually php is my roots&#8230;I learned ASP.NET so I could feed my family more than twice a week!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Camera</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Camera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy your foray into LAMPland.  Don't forget your rOOPts.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy your foray into LAMPland.  Don&#8217;t forget your rOOPts.  <img src='http://shepherdweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@francois - I see what you're talking about now that I'm looking back over the installation docs;  I missed that when I was initially studying them.  

I'm sure Symfony is a great framework.  It seems to get great reviews from everyone who uses it.  It's possible that my initial assessment may have been wrong, but it seemed that there was going to be a greater learning curve than I have time for right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@francois - I see what you&#8217;re talking about now that I&#8217;m looking back over the installation docs;  I missed that when I was initially studying them.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Symfony is a great framework.  It seems to get great reviews from everyone who uses it.  It&#8217;s possible that my initial assessment may have been wrong, but it seemed that there was going to be a greater learning curve than I have time for right now.</p>
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		<title>By: francois</title>
		<link>http://shepherdweb.com/2006/07/03/tiptoe-through-the-frameworks/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised that you find the symfony installation difficult. You can simply download and untar a project already configured, and browse to it immediately.

It provides different types of installations for different users, but for a started I'd recommend following the first project tutorial and you'll see how simple it is.

You don't have to use the command line, it's just one of the most convenient tools that developers like to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that you find the symfony installation difficult. You can simply download and untar a project already configured, and browse to it immediately.</p>
<p>It provides different types of installations for different users, but for a started I&#8217;d recommend following the first project tutorial and you&#8217;ll see how simple it is.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to use the command line, it&#8217;s just one of the most convenient tools that developers like to use.</p>
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